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so I think you and I are on the same

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page on that attending to believe Kevin

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and Gary what about going back to the

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Hawkeye and whether the airmen on the

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Hawkeye saw yeah so I had a personal

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interaction with the airman that we're

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calling rods are actually using a

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aviation technician in flight technician

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and in the beginning I got some pushback

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from Paco saying that no that's

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impossible

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the only people that are ever on the

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eetu Hawkeye are naval flight officers

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you don't have enlisted or petty

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officers on these planes so I went back

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to PJ and I did find out that yes indeed

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there was a training program or a naval

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program called in flight technician

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where petty officers that were aviation

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technicians would fly on the Hawkeye's

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and provide a sort of needed service

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which is to identify any problems that

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might be going on so these guys were

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trained in all this you know the SAR

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type waterborne rescue they had to go

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through this special training to be able

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to fly on these Hawkeye planes and

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indeed the the gentleman that I spoke to

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I kind of checked out his background and

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did that him that he was indeed in this

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program he did fly in the Hawkeye so I

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know that this guy is real and the

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reason why he didn't want to come

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forward was because he said that

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according to him he had assigned some

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secret he had to sign a document right

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after the incident said he wouldn't talk

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about it so even going out on a limb in

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even mentioning to it to me was sort of

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a little you know sketchy for him you

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didn't want his name use you didn't said

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he he literally said that's all I have

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to say about it please don't contact me

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again about it and what he said was that

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yes indeed during the same fight that

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commander Fraker you know intercepted

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the tic-tac they heard the radio calls

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through the communication network you

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know with the Princeton and fast Eagle

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flight and at that time they the entire

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air crew witnessed one of these objects

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form up on their plane for a few seconds

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and then take off and you know I kind of

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recreated and recreated that in my

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little dot

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mentary where i showed what maybe it

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looked quite you know based on his

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description so he said that when they

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landed and he said all five aircrew in

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that plane would have seen this object

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they were present and they knew what

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they saw so he said when they landed

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they sat on the dock for 20 minutes in

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what he called was a hot refueling state

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he said it was sort of unusual in a

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training evolution to sit in your flight

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gear with the engines running on the

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flight deck in the u2 because you know

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number one you're burning fuel and if

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you're gonna take off again that would

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make sense it just didn't make sense

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that they sat there and then you know

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when the when they did get permission to

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shut down they didn't go to their normal

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briefing room you know the ready room

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where they might do a normal debrief of

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their mission they went to this other

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area that he described it as a secure

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briefing room on where they were told

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not to talk about it and they this is

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allegedly where they sign these

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documents we've asked him does he have a

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copy and he's like no they didn't give

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us copies and it wasn't really a

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volunteer type thing hey do you mind